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Two Kingdoms (re-dated)
November 15, 2008, 8:55 am
Filed under: Christian Doctrine, Politics | Tags: , , , , ,

To the pacifist anabaptist folks:

 

You believe in nonviolence across the board, right?  

(I believe in non-violence in the Church, but I take it that you believe in nonviolence generally.  That’s what makes your position distinct, right?  I say the Church can’t rightly use violence to advance Christian discipleship.  You say the State can’t rightly use violence either, right?)

Do you believe in social democracy and the welfare state?  

(I do, basically.)

Don’t you realize that such a system depends on taxation?

Don’t you realize that taxation depends on (or is a kind of) violence?

(After all, many folks don’t want to pay their taxes and wouldn’t pay their taxes if it weren’t for the threat of violence by the State.  Since I don’t believe in non-violence when it comes to the State, my support of taxation is consistent with my beliefs.  But aren’t you being inconsistent?)

Isn’t it more truthful to say that you believe in non-violence when it comes to right-wing projects, but that you support violence in the pursuit of left-wing projects?

 

(BTW – I’m NOT saying it is inconsistent to be against a war but for taxes.  That makes you anti-war.  But, as I see it, it means that you are not a believer in non-violence generally.)

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Just a quick comment here. By the way this my my first blog response ever but I see that you seem to have a sincere question that has received no response so I will attempt a reply. Two kingdoms means what the name implies. Christs kingdom and the kingdoms of this world. Christ said that if his kingdom where of this world then would his servant fight to deliver him. Paul said if I have done anything worthy of death I refuse not to die, and in the book of Romans 13th chapter Paul says the state has the sword. Followers of Jesus are a part of his kingdom and therefore cannot participate in war. Love your enemies are our marching orders. I see no inconsistency with the state wielding the sword upon evil doers(murderers). Those who are carnal (not born of the Spirit) need external law to restrain them, hence the State and its’ punishment are a blessing to all to prevent anarchy and promote a fear to do evil. As believers we should have a moral character empowered by the Holy Spirit that causes us to live lives that are above the laws of the state so that they do not have anything to accuse us of.

Comment by krausclan

you said: “Followers of Jesus are a part of his kingdom and therefore cannot participate in war.”

But they are also part of an earthly kingdom, right? They are Canadian, or American or whatever they happen to be. And do they not have some obligations with respect to that kingdom? Given that they willingly receive its benefits, surely they do.

Would Jesus have said, “If a bandit murders your mother, give him also your wife and kids. Do not resist him.” ???

you said: “Those who are carnal (not born of the Spirit) need external law to restrain them, hence the State and its’ punishment are a blessing to all to prevent anarchy and promote a fear to do evil.”

I’d say Christians need the law as well. Don’t Christians remain partly ‘carnal’ until the resurrection? My answer, the traditional Protestant answer as I see it, is ‘yes’.

Comment by the.pilgrim

I believe we should be consistently opposed to violence. That is why I (generally speaking) and a Christian Anarchist (www.jesusradicals.com, http://www.christarchy.com, and http://www.jesusmanifesto.com are three sites that explore this concept)

Comment by markvans

As an anarchist, do you support taxation and the social safety net? It seems like you can’t do this consistently, but maybe I misunderstand anarchism.

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